reid. therein lies the potential problem where the more moderate democrats are going to have to step aside and stand down. >> and you look at that $4 trillion number. in the president's proposal is also including things like interest savings, more savings that are set to wind down anyway, and you look at the $4 trillion. it really only stabilizes debt to gdp ratio over the next decade or so off panama. the entitlement spending, medicare, medicaid, not doing their analysis of what the ten years after the next decade look like when it comes to the full entitlement boom that goes on from there, there are some major deficit and debt problems that are going to hit the federal budget in just the next 10-15 years alone. so the whole debate as to how big a problem deficit reduction is, jay carney a couple of weeks ago said it is not a goal of itself. just deficit reduction. i think the president clarified that a little bit this evening with a comment you just mentioned, neil. there is that ques